Hi @xmfclick --

Linux distributions package up software for you, to link any bits together, e.g. Firefox may need SSL libraries, GTK to draw the windows etc., extra stuff picked for use (dependancies). It's only to compile the software youself do you need to download any tarballs. This is because each flavour of Linux is different, whereas there is only one build of Windows Vista, say, and it's Win32 libraries to corrospond to it. A Linux distro can differ in its underlying libraries to another. This is the problem when simply converting one Linux package to another, sometimes they match and sometimes not.

In SliTaz, you use the Package Manager to install Firefox and other software, or type tazpkg get-install firefox at the command line; this interface to the package management system will pull any un-installed dependences for you and install them on block. Similarly, in Fedora one could type yum install firefox or use the PackageKit GUI.

Usually, the tar command is used to de-compress tarballs. This should be present on your system, but you might want to install XArchive, which can use gzip, tar, lzma, 7z, and others that may or may not be installed.

Yes, the mirrors are down. You can cirumvent them by adding a # to the start of its line in /var/lib/tazpkg/mirror to comment out the slitaz offical mirror and divert to the other ones.

HIH.

@seawolf -- Thanks, maybe I mis-used a term and threw you off a bit. I'm a Windows person, but I had always understood that in Linux a file with a .tar.bz suffix was called a tarball.

Anyway, here are a couple of follow-ups, which may be helpful to other newbies ...

1. I found out that the PCMan file manager has a built-in facility to decompress zipped files, which you access by right-clicking on the file. Seems to work fine with .bz2 files.

2. I played around with tazpkg and found that you can point it at a different mirror ("tazpkg setup-mirror"). A quick Google found me a mirror in Switzerland which was live, so I set it up and was able to run tazpkg and download FF 3.5.7, which installed OK. However, the first thing it says when you fire it up is "This version is obsolete, you should upgrade to 3.6.12". So, given that I've already downloaded FF 3.6.12 and unzipped it, how do I do the upgrade?

Now to have a go at Skype!

@seawolf -- Thanks, maybe I mis-used a term and threw you off a bit. I'm a Windows person, but I had always understood that in Linux a file with a .tar.bz suffix was called a tarball.

Anyway, here are a couple of follow-ups, which may be helpful to other newbies ...

1. I found out that the PCMan file manager has a built-in facility to decompress zipped files, which you access by right-clicking on the file. Seems to work fine with .bz2 files.

2. I played around with tazpkg and found that you can point it at a different mirror ("tazpkg setup-mirror"). A quick Google found me a mirror in Switzerland which was live, so I set it up and was able to run tazpkg and download FF 3.5.7, which installed OK. However, the first thing it says when you fire it up is "This version is obsolete, you should upgrade to 3.6.12". So, given that I've already downloaded FF 3.6.12 and unzipped it, how do I do the upgrade?

Now to have a go at Skype!

@seawolf -- Thanks, maybe I mis-used a term and threw you off a bit. I'm a Windows person, but I had always understood that in Linux a file with a .tar.bz suffix was called a tarball.

Anyway, here are a couple of follow-ups, which may be helpful to other newbies ...

1. I found out that the PCMan file manager has a built-in facility to decompress zipped files, which you access by right-clicking on the file. Seems to work fine with .bz2 files.

2. I played around with tazpkg and found that you can point it at a different mirror ("tazpkg setup-mirror"). A quick Google found me a mirror in Switzerland which was live, so I set it up and was able to run tazpkg and download FF 3.5.7, which installed OK. However, the first thing it says when you fire it up is "This version is obsolete, you should upgrade to 3.6.12". So, given that I've already downloaded FF 3.6.12 and unzipped it, how do I do the upgrade?

Now to have a go at Skype!

0: Tarballs are just Tar's equvilent to Zips, you're correct. The tar bit is just bundling it togther, the bz2 means it's then compressed with BZip2. A tar.gz extension means tarball compressed with GZip, etc.
1: Oh yes, I forgot about that! Still, XArchive is similar to WinZip. Either way it works!
2: The 'stable' version of this distro was released around April, when 3.5.7 was out. The unstable 'Cooking' has newer packages but they are liable to break at any point, as that's where changes are made by SliTaz developers. These packages however are linked to other bits of Cooking, and ill not work on table due to version differences. To get a newer version of a stable package, you will need to either use the unstable version of the distro, or start compiling it yourself. I shouldn't worry too much, it's still 3.x series of Firefox; if you're behind a firewall and not silly then I doubt you're at risk at all!
2b: Some tarballs contain not source code but built binaries. These can be extracted, sometimes into your home directory, and run directly.

Tip: Skype is a proprietary binary; it's not available as source code for us to build but as a EXE-style lump. Skype keep hold of this file and licensing means we can't compile/package it for SliTaz ourselves, so have to grab it each time it's installed. This is done by a "get-" script:
- you download the get-skype package
- the package only contains a script to get the Skype program
- you run get-skype as root to fetch the binary and install it to your system.
The same goes for Flash, Opera, Google Chrome & Earth... lots. I think the Package Manager will actually do the whole process for you.

HIH.

Installing Firefox article on Mozilla support: http://support.mozilla.com/en-US/kb/Installing%20Firefox%20on%20Linux
Its easy and done by hand for minute.

Oops! Something went haywire with the message-posting system. Preview worked fine but Post Comment gave a popover window with a bunch of PHP error messages. Seemed to have posted the message though (several times!)

Anyway, thanks for the replies. However, you're using terminology that's a bit more advanced than my current level of Linux "expertise", e.g. how do I download the get-skype package? Actually, Package Manager seems to do the trick, so not to worry.

A bit weird, though -- Firefox 3.5.7 calls itself "Shiretoko". I've downloaded the new .bz2 file -- how would I go about updating 3.5.7 to 3.6.12? Can I do it manually (i.e. expand the compressed file and then copy stuff across myself)?

xmfclick, do you read article, link I post? Citation:

The following instructions will install Firefox into your home directory, and only the current user will be able to run it.

1. Download Firefox from the Firefox download page to your home directory.
2. Open a Terminal and go to your home directory:

   cd ~

3. Extract the contents of the downloaded file:

   tar xjf firefox-*.tar.bz2

4. Close Firefox if it's open.
5. To start Firefox, run the firefox script in the firefox folder.

   ~/firefox/firefox

   
   

Firefox should now start. You can then create an icon on your desktop to run this command.

Firefox is called "Shiretoko", because it's Firefox 3.5.7's version code name. So don't worry about it.

If you want to compile stuff, you'll need the slitaz-toolchain package, which installs all the other packages you'll need to do basic compiles. Compiling some programs might require you to install additional packages and their -dev package (which installs the headers needed for compiling with that library). The required packages are normally listed in the README or INSTALL file.

As for the command tar, think of it like a zip command you used with DOS way back in the day. It has a couple of flags you can throw into it to help it decompress a variety of tarballs out there. For example, tar xjf file.tar.bz2 will decompress a bzipped tar archive, where tar xzf file.tar.gz will decompress a gzipped tar archive. Basically the x means eXtract while the j or z extracts either bzipped tar archives or gzipped tar archives respectively. I can't remember what the f stands for, but I know it's required :P

Hopefully that clears stuff up a bit.

@Lexeii: I haven't read the link you posted yet, as I was just concerned to get something up and running and I'd already done so by the time I saw your message. But thanks for the link, and I'll take a look at it today.

@Trixar_za: Thanks for the post -- it's nice to see how friendly people are around here. In fact I have 35 years experience of writing software, starting with mainframes, back in the day. I've used Windows since version 2, though, and only dabbled with Linux on and off over the years. I'm not interested in starting over, so I'll pass on the idea of compiling stuff! I guess I just slightly mis-used a Linux term when I said "tarball", but it's good to see people trying to be so helpful. I'll stick with "zip file" in future.

Actually, the thing that has *always* put me off Linux is the way that stuff seems to be sprayed around the directory tree in apparently random fashion, and even that seems to vary from distro to distro. Then there are the various installation systems -- do I need a .deb or a .rpm or what? I admire you Linux gurus who've got your heads around all that stuff. Having got FF up and running I now need to install Flash -- but how on earth do I go about that? (OK, I'm off to ask Mr Google ...) I expect I'll be back here before long!

BTW, when I click "Post Comment" I get this popover message ...

Gdn_ErrorException thrown within the exception handler.
Message: Cannot modify header information - headers already sent by (output started at /home/slitaz/www/forum/library/core/class.email.php:113) in /home/slitaz/www/forum/library/core/functions.error.php on line 62

Hi xmfclick,

About flash for FF:
Have tried this (especially Ernia's advices)?:
http://forum.slitaz.org/index.php/discussion/comment/4166/#Comment_4166

Hope this helps.
Stephane

@Totoetsasoeur: While you were posting your message I was rummaging around my PC and basically worked out the same answer. What I did was this ...

0. To install Flash player for Firefox
1. Download install_flash_player_10_linux.tar.gz from Adobe site (I followed a link that popped up when I went to the YouTube site)
2. Unpack the zipped file -- there's only one file inside, called libflashplayer.so
3. Open a console window
4. Type su followed by the root password
5. cd /home/ (i.e. the directory where I'd unpacked the libflashplayer.so file)
6. cp libflashplayer.so /home/usr/lib/firefox-3.5.7/plugins

This changed the ownership of libflashplayer.so to root, which was the same as the ownership of the other .so file in that directory -- I assume this is necessary. Then I restarted FF and bingo! Flash worked (at least, it did in YouTube and the BBC iPlayer)

I'm lazy, so I just used the get-flash package myself. I hear what your saying about Linux and I felt the same way. I hated it at first to be completely honest. Then one day I just decided to dive in without thinking about it while formatting XP off my PC. Let's just say I was without an internet connection and forced to use my wit and meager skills to get myself online. After a shitload of googling effort off my mobile I finally got online. The funny thing is that I loved the effort I had to put in and I did it without having to find and download any driver to do it. Been using it ever since... :P

While your checking out youtube, look for the Slitaz tutorials by Kris. He has ones for the GUI and the command line which are pretty awesome. They explain most things - from the basic to the more advanced.

As for rpm and deb packages, believe it or not, but SliTaz can actually convert them over into Slitaz packages using the tazpkg convert command. I did a few emulators packages like that for my website (even converted over some of the dependencies). You can check it out at http://www.trixarian.za.net/?Projects:SliTaz if you want ;)

get-flash package?? Where that come from? (so much to learn, so little time)

I'm doing the Linux thing because my Windows machine's hard disk crashed, and I don't have a WIndows installation disk anymore. I've tried Ubuntu and Fedora, which both run OK-ish, but I was amazed at how fast and clean and functional SliTaz is, so I'm sticking with it for now. I played around with Puppeee on my wife's Asus Eee, but I prefer SliTaz, although Midori behaves oddly, which is why I wanted to get FF. Anyhoo, onwards and upwards ...

its on the iso and is one of the litte slitaz helpers, that makes living with SliTaz a little bit easier - see http://doc.slitaz.org/en:guides:flash

but of course - you can do it by hand as you did ....

Even Firefox 4.0b7 installs in a flow on SliTaz 3.0 stable, w/ the binary bundle tarball.

@babaorum : ??? Sorry, didn't understand a word of that (well, OK, I understood "Firefox"). Please explain in simple English!

@xmfclick that was jivey-techy-talk for "Your instructions worked well for the latest firefox beta too" I think :P

I just installed it with the command line :
tazpkg get-install firefox
Hope this helps

Thanks for all the help so far. Now for the biggie -- FF (and Midori, too) just stopped working. I was browsing website X, clicked on a button and BANG! FF disappeared. Since then, when I try to run it, it flashes on screen for a fraction of a second and then disappears. The odd thing is, Midori does the same. I tried uninstalling FF and reinstalling (via Tazpkg, so version 3.5.7) but to no avail, so I'm back to running off the Live CD. HELP! (I knew it was all going too smoothly ...)

BTW, I never did get FF 3.6.12 installed :o(

The vanishing browsers could be due to some add-on that you installed (maybe). You could try starting Firefox in safe mode and see if that works. From terminal,

#firefox -safe-mode

or just delete /home/tux/.firefox - eg. in pcmanfm activate hidden files

The common denominator could be flash, so try reinstalling flash via the tazpkg get-install get-flash --forced command.

You can also manually flush flash's cache by deleting the files in /home/tux/.adobe/Flash_Player/

Tried deleting and reinstalling Flash, tried deleting the .firefox folder, nothing worked. Ended up reinstalling SliTaz. Still can't get FF 3.6.12 to work -- downloaded the tarball, converted it to a tazpkg, installed it, icon appeared in the Internet menu, ran it from there, nothing happened. Could babaorum tell me exactly how s/he installed FF4 ??

The very same way that I have installed Firefox 3.6.x : I have downloaded the tarball (as you did I guess), decompressed it in a subdirectory of my Home's (arbitrary choice, good to me), got within it and launched the "firefox" binary.
That's all, same thing for Firefox 3.6 and 4.0...

I'm working on a Slitaz 3.0 stable. Concerning Flash, I've always installed it with get-flash, not even with "--forced" option.

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